tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-718763757961074946.post4984266656878425510..comments2023-09-30T07:24:33.315-07:00Comments on Intro to Global Security: Drone Group: US PolicyPyrautomatahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15410997091290312616noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-718763757961074946.post-36144302781051704752013-04-23T07:32:26.039-07:002013-04-23T07:32:26.039-07:00I think that we'll start to see more of an att...I think that we'll start to see more of an attempt at international regulation depending on how they're used. If they're used for targeted killings by multiple countries, I think we'll see something similar to the initiatives to ban landmines or cluster munitions. If they're just used as surveillance tools or in war time, I think that we'll start seeing air-to-air drone systems and an increase in countermeasures, whether they be shoot-down technology or systems hacking.<br /><br />Either way, your guess is as good as mine about the future. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-718763757961074946.post-66906449000411215662013-04-23T07:29:25.613-07:002013-04-23T07:29:25.613-07:00I think it's the concepts of how accurate and ...I think it's the concepts of how accurate and precise these drones are along with the "removal" of the humans from the acts of killing. Even with cruise missiles, there is still a warship in the vicinity that needs to be operated in order to deliver the strike. The other thing is that (I think at least) people fear this type of technology essentially becoming a video game of sorts for the drone operators.<br /><br />I personally don't consider these too valid but that's just my opinion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-718763757961074946.post-19111664825528622762013-04-23T07:24:33.721-07:002013-04-23T07:24:33.721-07:00I personally didn't come across much in the do...I personally didn't come across much in the domestic policy of private drone ownership. I'd imagine smaller ones are treated the same as really expensive toys for lack of better terminology, while larger ones might be subject to FAA guidelines or similar rules governing private plane ownership.<br /><br />To me, the case of the hunters seems like property damage at the most. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-718763757961074946.post-4710150808834777532013-04-23T07:21:23.405-07:002013-04-23T07:21:23.405-07:00I think the difference here was the combination of...I think the difference here was the combination of the scale and US unilateral action. From unofficial accounts and some official ones (see Pervez Musharraf's recent comments about drone) the US receives approval from the Pakistani government to carry out drone strikes. The raid in Abbottabad was not only using multiple SEAL teams, stealth black hawks, Chinooks, and fighter jets on standby, but was done not only without the authorization from the Pakistani government, but without them even knowing about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-718763757961074946.post-606439106295018862013-04-23T07:17:43.332-07:002013-04-23T07:17:43.332-07:00Considering how large of a say the USA has in NATO...Considering how large of a say the USA has in NATO policies and how much supply they contribute to the alliance, I think it will happen if the US wants it to. That being said, I don't think it will be used because when NATO is used, it's in a time of more or less traditional war. In these circumstances, it is more acceptable to use F-16s, B-2s, and other traditional aircraft. For example, I don't recall NATO using any drones in the implementation of the no-fly zone in Libya under Resolution 1973. What French, Italian, American, and British forces used were Tomahawk cruise missiles, French Mirage fighters, American warplanes, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-718763757961074946.post-27174286683035938652013-04-21T20:29:08.109-07:002013-04-21T20:29:08.109-07:00In class we discussed that the use of drones is no...In class we discussed that the use of drones is not limited to the United States though, it is certainly the leader in the recent drone technologies, other states such as Israel are known to use drone technologies. Israel recently released the intention to move all military aircraft to drone technologies within the next decade. if this becomes the future for a lot of states how does something like this change the policy framework of drones? <br />http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/israel-military-official-says-drones-to-replace-piloted-warplanes-within-decades/2013/04/21/81910fc6-aa97-11e2-9493-2ff3bf26c4b4_story.htmlslashleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16618335564293905633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-718763757961074946.post-81117762727656479742013-04-19T05:57:07.417-07:002013-04-19T05:57:07.417-07:00I think you see a little bit of a difference mainl...I think you see a little bit of a difference mainly because of the location of the drone strikes. The American strikes are on the other side of the world, while the Israeli strikes are in their own backyards. The Israelis need to deal with all repercussions directly from their strikes, whereas the United States might not have to. Legally, it seems as though the debate is centered around how to carry these out, not whether or not they're legal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-718763757961074946.post-45479666134257639302013-04-17T18:21:12.752-07:002013-04-17T18:21:12.752-07:00I'm sorry, this is probably a silly question, ...I'm sorry, this is probably a silly question, but I don't really see how drones are different from any other weapon. Their use may not be fair, but neither are regular bombs or missiles. What exactly is it about drones that you think makes them different from other technologies? Why do you think the US needs specific drone policy, when compared to the amount of deaths the US has caused by other means, the number of drone deaths is miniscule? verymehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11167478417756736509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-718763757961074946.post-80547985689723630362013-04-15T20:38:58.828-07:002013-04-15T20:38:58.828-07:00What do you think are the legal differences in pol...What do you think are the legal differences in policy between a drone strike in a non-combat zone like Pakistan and sending in a special forces time into a non-combat zone like we did with Osama bin Laden? Does it come down to whether or not we should be involved in a non-combat zone, no matter the method, or is there a significant legal difference between a drone strike or a few boots on the ground?Julia Gallivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17029644372424238898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-718763757961074946.post-44945323101633192052013-04-15T20:34:34.052-07:002013-04-15T20:34:34.052-07:00Time recently published an article about the use o...Time recently published an article about the use of drones at home, and how the average citizen could rent a surveillance drone. Is there much domestic policy regarding drones? Particularly on restrictions of citizens using drones? <br /><br />The article also mentions an instance where hunters shot a privately owned surveillance drone down in America. How do you think U.S. policy should respond to human on drone violence?<br /><br />Here's the link to the article: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2135132,00.htmlJulia Gallivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17029644372424238898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-718763757961074946.post-18128217209382671652013-04-15T20:26:29.466-07:002013-04-15T20:26:29.466-07:00Has the UN addressed drones at all? Do you see NA...Has the UN addressed drones at all? Do you see NATO potentially taking drones on as a weapon, or are they too controversial? Do you think NATO using drones would affect US policy at all? Julia Gallivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17029644372424238898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-718763757961074946.post-89594593030385046982013-04-15T08:09:17.090-07:002013-04-15T08:09:17.090-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-718763757961074946.post-47023255020197092013-04-15T08:08:48.583-07:002013-04-15T08:08:48.583-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-718763757961074946.post-60358802921542569402013-04-13T14:19:02.288-07:002013-04-13T14:19:02.288-07:00The article from Fox below is one of many that exp...The article from Fox below is one of many that express thoughts about drone use by Israel that are similar to the topics we have discussed in relation to US use. Do you see any differences in the legal/policy concerns of these two cases?<br /><br />http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/12/29/exclusive-inside-track-on-israels-reconnaissance-drones/ Jenny Suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01450102021585321218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-718763757961074946.post-58750178829867754652013-04-11T22:30:36.902-07:002013-04-11T22:30:36.902-07:00I see this as an aspect of the legal battle betwee...I see this as an aspect of the legal battle between the unitary executive theory and where Congressional oversight belongs. I think that these revisions would allow for more potential targets by the executive branch, but with the tradeoff of more Congressional oversight.<br /><br />For example, this may allow the US to target militants in Mali, who weren't related to 9/11, but only with some sort of oversight/approval from Congress. Under the current AUMF, it is my understanding that the CIA or military couldn't target these people because they cannot be directly linked to 9/11.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-718763757961074946.post-9943449026245153172013-04-11T22:24:48.670-07:002013-04-11T22:24:48.670-07:00From my understanding, the idea of collective puni...From my understanding, the idea of collective punishment goes back to the idea of massacring or punishing a civilian population for helping an enemy. However, under the AUMF and other post-9/11 laws passed by Congress, only the political elements who help the enemies of the US/allies of those responsible for 9/11 are targeted. I see this as different because there is a distinction between targeting the civilian population and political entities that are "fair game" for lack of better terms, in the rules of war.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-718763757961074946.post-75766009129627521492013-04-11T22:18:51.408-07:002013-04-11T22:18:51.408-07:00I think the premise of your question is would a US...I think the premise of your question is would a US citizen be accepted as collateral damage?<br />If not, correct me, however, I'll answer the question as so.<br />I think the answer is yes, if there is a clear and present danger to a larger group of civilians. For example, if there is an airliner over the Atlantic that is hijacked with US citizens on board, and an F-15 is sent to intercept, I think that the authorization would be given to shoot it down if it were confirmed to be on course for a major population center such as DC or NYC. In this case, the number of citizens on the plane would be "acceptable" collateral damage instead of them in addition to casualties on the ground.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-718763757961074946.post-7707243496966061132013-04-11T22:10:36.157-07:002013-04-11T22:10:36.157-07:00I'm not very familiar with that case, admitted...I'm not very familiar with that case, admittedly, however, I still think there is a line of distinction between the abilities of capture in the time periods. If West Germany had drones at the time and none of the surveillance infrastructure that Germany has now, yet had drones, and a state of war had been legitimized by one or both parties, then I could see a drone strike MAYBE being authorized because it was an armed insurrection against the legitimate government. However, I am not versed in West German Constitutional law, so I would say that I have nothing to offer here but speculation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-718763757961074946.post-66444166149905886902013-04-11T22:07:44.507-07:002013-04-11T22:07:44.507-07:00A few things,
1) I don't really see the proble...A few things,<br />1) I don't really see the problem with using drones as a form of surveillance IF A WARRANT IS ISSUED. The idea that drones could simply spy on whoever, whenever is a violation of our rights under the 4th Amendment. Possible court cases to reference could be the one about dogs not being used to search for drugs by sniffing the outside of your house (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/03/supreme_court_police_dogs_can_t_sniff_for_drugs_on_your_porch.html). I see probable cause as a huge impediment to those who want to spy on everyone.<br />2) As for the lethal aspect, I see it as nearly impossible to justify on US soil. The feasibility of capturing a suspect is almost 100% given the nation's infrastructure and levels of law enforcement working together. The only time I could see drones being used is in the case of another 9/11 or Flight 93 where a plane is on target for the Senate/White House/DC and if the passengers don't bring it down, that a drone strike is authorized to kill those on board to save the hundreds that would be killed in addition to them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-718763757961074946.post-76992450313144718862013-04-11T22:02:13.427-07:002013-04-11T22:02:13.427-07:00I actually remember reading this exact article and...I actually remember reading this exact article and being scared you-know-whatless. Honestly, this comes back to the idea that the USA is frankly an easy target for those who really want to destroy it, cyber-wise. Our powergrids are wide-open along with main infrastructure hubs. I see this as more of an issue that the USAF will have to deal with, if not, then the US government at large. Drones being hacked is actually the least of my worries when it comes to potential cyber targets due to the idea that at least a Predator has a finite number of missiles while a power outage could kill many more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-718763757961074946.post-78890511224559320132013-04-11T21:57:15.113-07:002013-04-11T21:57:15.113-07:00I more or less had that paragraph in there to prov...I more or less had that paragraph in there to prove that I think that targeted killings really are a "last resort" so to speak. As in if the enemies were able to be captured, I think the US would do so instead of just pulling a trigger because of the loss of intelligence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-718763757961074946.post-91933504793907128102013-04-11T21:55:02.817-07:002013-04-11T21:55:02.817-07:00The ranking Republican on the Senate Foreign Relat...The ranking Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Senator Bob Corker of Tennessee, recently announced that he will pursue a revision of the 2001 Authorization of the Use of Military Force (AUMF), which the Bush and Obama Administrations have used as the legal basis for its counter-terrorism operations. Given the objectives to the AUMF outlined in the testimony below, how could the proposed changes affect U.S. policy?<br /><br />SOURCES:<br /><br />http://www.corker.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/video?ID=0b648aac-968c-4aed-8ac6-7f7ca462a0f0Nicholashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14949043099047519101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-718763757961074946.post-6721915059730158672013-04-11T14:01:50.468-07:002013-04-11T14:01:50.468-07:00This is commenting on your last paragraph. As you ...This is commenting on your last paragraph. As you stated there are scenarios when it is unfeasible to capture an enemy combatant. How is interogation on the table for Al-Qaeda operatives who can't be captured? Is the U.S. conducting drone strikes on targets who could more easily be captured? Thanks. seejay182https://www.blogger.com/profile/00464741388973225772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-718763757961074946.post-37128629432633910272013-04-10T15:31:27.437-07:002013-04-10T15:31:27.437-07:00With cyber terrorism and hacking become more preva...With cyber terrorism and hacking become more prevalent and the instance of drones being hacked. How will this effect drone policy and the use of drones in the future? <br /><br />Heres one of the example I found but other countries have done it as well.<br /><br />http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/29/drone-hacked-by-universit_n_1638100.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-718763757961074946.post-18131645017087739572013-04-09T10:27:35.481-07:002013-04-09T10:27:35.481-07:00There has been some discourse in the news lately a...There has been some discourse in the news lately about the usage and concern of drones being used by law enforcement agencies in the U.S. to use non-lethal force on citizens committing crimes. Some activist groups are afraid that this, along with the use of lethal force against citizens will actually come to fruition. Here is a link to a recent news article on the topic of drones using force on U.S. citizens on U.S. soil: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/29/domestic-drones-unique-dangers I would like to hear your opinion on the matter, do you think this is a justified use of drones or an infringement on civil rights?Ryan Cascardohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14779300957534010955noreply@blogger.com